No sir. If you have one of their stores in your area, that would be a good place to look. STOEGER. Since the Coach Gun is marketed specifically to Cowboy Action shooters who shoot large steel targets at fairly close ranges, a pair of chokes on the wider end of spectrum makes perfect sense. And . Since Stoegers collection of Coach Guns features such high quality shotguns for affordable prices, its no easy task to compete with them. Steve Young aka Nate Kiowa Jones Sass# 6765. Really nice, should be at $700. Price point is about $80-$100 less, so one can be had easily for $350-$400 bucks. That being said, I did find one product which gives Stoeger a run for their money: Mossbergs Maverick HS12 Thunder Ranch Over/Under shotgun. 2. I had a new Stoeger Coach Supreme. Youll also need a proper vise, padded jaws, a t-handle for driving the reamer, cutting oil, a bucket to catch the cuttings/oil, etc. And it can be yours for under $600, which is less than half the price of high-end, semi-auto duck guns. I love this gun. The inner workings are less than primitive. I had a chance to buy a nickle barreled Stoeger short barrell coach gun at Cabellas for $450.00 on sale. Not sure Blaine, just checked and the only thing they list now are single shots. by Mescalero Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:03 pm, Post All in all pretty easy and smooth. If they took more time you would have to pay more money. Stoeger Coach Gun Standard Features: Brass bead sights Shell extractor Fixed IC and fixed M choke tubes, with additional options for choke and extended choke tubes Improved cylinder Trigger Guard Double trigger and single trigger models Price: $449-$549 BUY NOW Stoeger Coach Gun Models and Variations Not anymore . I had to choose the gauge (I went with 12 gauge as that is what most use at matches), finish (blued, stainless, or nickel I picked blued), single or double trigger (I chose double based on advice from others), and standard or Supreme model (I went with the Supreme because it has screw-in choke tubes and a thicker recoil pad). The coach gun turned me into a clay-bird-destroying machine of death. But I liked it so much, that I bought one. A grinder made all the difference in the world in doing this. Sight . If youre in the market for something even cheaper, its your lucky day; oddly enough, there are even solid sight options in the $75 range. Have put a few hundred thru it shooting clay birds. Stoeger Model M3500 12 Gauge Shotgun with Realtree Max-5 Stock and 28-Inch Barrel. Ive heard that repair parts can be hard to come by, but I havent had to deal with that aspect of it yet. Check to compare Stoeger coach guns are fine for the money and are Joe Biden-approved. I preferred my A5 clone. The Cimarron gun is the old TTN, just a new importer. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Not a single issue straight from the box. I was just in a Sportsmans Wearhouse Store yesterday, and they had 4 on their shelf. Shortening the lock impeller spring The spring around the lock impeller is stiff and requires a lot of pressure on the lever to break it open. Handguns require more practice and familiarity than owning a simple break open hammerless double-barrel shotgun ,and in some jurisdictions (New Jersey for instance) are less regulated and restricted than owning a handgun. Double-barreled shotguns have been used as home defense weapons for well over a century, especially side by sides like the Coach Gun. Your Life Can Change in 16 Seconds. Weight (unloaded):6.5 pounds The Stoeger Coach Gun was the top choice for enthusiasts looking for a side-by-side shotgun in 2019, according to volume of purchases made through the services of Gunbroker.com. and was consistently seeing that if you want to shoot an 1897, you need to get a gunsmith to slick it up. The Coach Gun Supreme is a thing of wonder on the trap range. I can put it under the seat of my Honda Ruckus, in a case, and head to the woods. by Buck Elliott Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:55 pm, Post The right barrel threw a wider pattern than the left. Heavy, but in a short barrelled coach gun that's not entirely a BAD thing. The 20-inch barrels are the longest single chunk of the gun. I ended up adjusting the spring and impeller at the same time because the impeller is hard to remove and reinstall with the full-length spring. I found one online for $100 less (plus shipping and FFL fee) and it arrived just in time to use in the next cowboy match. Now, Ive only dome maybe 5 and all for me. I traded an old flintlock kit gun to my ex brother inlaw for his never fired coachman nickleplate. by Mescalero Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:08 am, Post by Griff Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:44 am, Post Right barrel IC choke. I bought new Stoeger single trigger 12 ga. last summer when I started CAS. Thats life. The reason is that Im a rifle shooter in my soul. The Supreme's butt stock and beaver tail fore-end . I shot that match using the shotgun pretty much straight out of the box, which turned out to be a mistake. The gun I chose lists for $549. Stoeger Coach Gun, $310 Our first impression of the Brazilian-made Stoeger Coach Gun was: That's more like it. I have never seen a side by side shoot skeet. Reliability * * * * * The factory Stoeger resets the safety every time the gun breaks open. No complaints about the CZ either. Ive shot skeet with it. Rusty, grandson Jerry3 has a Stoger coach gun in 12ga and has not had any trouble with it at all.He used it when we were cowboy shooting trouble free. With birdshot and buckshot, the groups were also different sizes. I gave my Stoeger Coach Gun a workout last week shooting full-house, nine pellet 00 buck. I recently bought the plain jane model stoeger coach gun, however mine is the single trigger. It is death on black birds. I was focusing on safety and technique, not speed, so I was comfortable with the few rounds of practice I got with the gun the day before the match. The box was that light. Simply remove the butt stock and remove the small pin the is connected to the trigger block. Mine had a little too much wood where it joins the action so I had to relieve it. Nice. by Rusty Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:54 pm, Post The real key is not to be too aggressive and know the harness of the various parts. by Buck Elliott Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:06 pm, Post For suggestions, collaborations, or requests, contact [emailprotected], We keep our coach gun loaded with 00for two shells we dont have to take a backseat to anyoneand to this day no one fears any firearm more than looking at the business end of a double barrelsimple and reliable, quietly brought to readynone of that racking noise bullsh!tanyone at the bedroom door wont get further, Your email address will not be published. Certainly there is a valid place for handguns. For those who want to criticize my use of a new gun in a competition, at that point in time, I was measuring my shooting times with a calendar instead of a stopwatch. I thought I had the Coach Gun nailed for a major weakness, as the two barrels were not exactly, totally, 100-percent regulated to the same pinpoint of aim. Although experienced shotgun owners could probably adapt to a double trigger in a matter of hours, they do produce 12 and 20 gauge single-trigger variants. 1.Guns, Guns, more Guns. The essential tools for slicking up a coach gun are a grinder, sandpaper, and polishing compound plus a screwdriver and socket for removing the buttstock. 3. Not seamless but pretty fair, certainly mass produced factory close. Barrel length: 20" Overall length: 36.5" Average weight: 6.5 to 7 lbs. It's little . I don't know of anyone who has had the misfire troubles with Coach Guns, and I know of two that have stood up well to fairly heavy use & hunting over a number of years. Looking to buy FTF, a Stoeger Coach gun 12ga, preference is with hammers. The easiest way to disable the safety is not to modify the pin that operates it. It just started having light primer strikes at 250 rounds. Most work well from the factory, some just seem to be un-repairable for some reason. Actually hard to open. Getting a good finished appearance is the other 90% of the issue. He just replaced it this year as its starting to unlock on firing and yes it could be repaired however the gun has provided him 23 years of rough service,its shall we say rode hard and put away wet. It was from China I think and it felt like the biggest piece of junk shotgun ever made in the history of the world. So I decided to subject it to some tests to ferret out its weaknesses, and thus validate my preconceived notions. Mine is an early (pre-Cimarron) TTN, from the second import lot.. All of these coach guns are ideal for Cowboy Action shooting and home defense. For many years I shot skeet with an Ithaca SKB (side by side). Using Remington Gun Club 1-1/8oz loads, about 6 out of 8 ro. steel receiver. The gun is simple enough that I think I can fix about any problem that might happen if I can get the parts. Firearm Specifications - Gauge: 12 - Barrel Length: 20 in by 1894c Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:24 am, Post Enlarging the chambers Once I finished the action, I moved to the barrel, making the chambers a little larger so that shells would slide in easier and fall out with a short jerk. I had trouble with it firing both barrels simultaneously..sometimes. If I shoot a gun for an extended period and dont once giggle or gleefully exclaim something like Oh, Hell yeah! I know the gun isnt for me. Shortening the spring is that opens the shotgun is usually the cause of it coming open when fired. Overall length: 36.5". Same problem appears constantly. I just have the plain-jane modelstock is standard, not English, and it isnt finished quite as nicely. All of these coach guns are ideal for Cowboy Action shooting and home defense. by Griff Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:30 am, Post Style * * ** 1/2 It's a pretty hefty gun so no need for a recoil pad. Good article. When it comes to tactical flashlights, its hard to beat Streamlight; this renowned company has two exceptional devices that are perfect for Stoegers Double Defense. The Cimarron Arms 1878 is a thing of beauty. Sadly there are no smiths in this town. It makes a huge difference. It stays in his gun cabinet. But the configuration of the Coach Gun just wouldnt let me revert to my old, bad shotgun habits. He has made good use of it in his War Of The Birds. Every score has been better than the previous. Stock: English-style American walnut Sight: brass bead I hit so many clay birds that I reconfigured the trap, and begin flinging doubles. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Thanks! Smith. I just bought a satin nickel 12 GA for $349 including shipping on the web. What looks like polymer is just wood and flat black paint. MY COACH GUN IS SIMPLY A SHORT 2-BARREL. The TTN goes to the hills with me, on my spring, summer, and early-fall jaunts. Live and learn. by Chuck 100 yd Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:12 pm, Post You can View a Copy of the Owners Manual here > http://youtu.be/X2UwWJ3x6ew That was not readily visible in the other pic. More specifically, coach guns were ubiquitous in the Wild West, especially for defending stagecoaches, which is why sitting in the passenger seat became known as riding shotgun. Put pin and trigger block in a safe place in case you want to reinstall it for resale or repairs. Drew, You will find the INFORMATION your seeking in the Post Its Beretta. Stoeger Single-Trigger Coach Guns are chambered for 2- and. by Mescalero Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:14 pm, Post The shotgun features an A-grade finished hardwood stock, a double trigger and brass bead sights. The only problem is the splinter fore-end means I need to wear a glove to keep from burning my left hand. It has chokes that just obliterate clays for me, even at extended distances. The straight, English stock also made the piece feel more shotgunny and easier to swing than my Remington 870. Clean the firing pin and screw well and oil lightly. Recover the sight, realign on the target or the next target, and fire the shotgun using the second barrel. Damn facts! Looks classy and cowboy, sort of like if Sean Connery had been the lead character in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly instead Clint Eastwood. Plus I cant forget about the game changing fiber-optic sights. I typically use1200 or 1600 grit wet/dry paper on both faces of the hammer and the interior surfaces of the frame. FYI, instead of step 2 you can buy an aftermarket lightened spring on Brownells and swap it it in without having to cut the factory one. Cantankerousbastard that I am, I remained determined to dislike it. I like your review. $4.69. Not too much pressure is needed, you will hear the hammers cock and you are quickly be back into the game. Ive got a nickel-finish coach gun supreme Ive been working on (Itll still be awhile before Im shooting any SASS matches though). It's blued with pretty wood. It is made at the Zhongzhou Machine Works in mainland China. And its hard to find a gun more versatile than a 12 gauge. There are a couple possible issues (dominant trigger finger, one round firing while the hammer falls on the other causing a force reduction, etc) but if the right trigger doesn't fire on it's own consistently I don't know. This is a great shotgun for getting started in cowboy action shooting. And if I cant figure it out, one of the other cowboy shooters will be able to tell me what to do. Always let me down on hunting trip and never on shooting range. The other 2 have their own problems. I trained her to load it, shoot it, and break it down. I was fearful of barrel misalignment when I got a Baikal coach gun but the darned thing hits on the bead with both barrels and when we got another one for my wife, we found its the same. 00. . or you could call Stoeger @ (301) 283-6300 and request a Hard Copy. Action: boxlock side-by-side The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Nice review, but one question left unanswered for me: how is the extraction/reloading? Take the extractor out, and ensure the large rod is not bent for starters. With the correct ammo, I could also use the coach gun to hunt everything that walks or flies in the state of Arkansas. No. The Stoeger Coach gun is available in the diminutive 410 gauge and . But they also told me that I could speed up that process by polishing the surfaces that slid against each other when opening. The Coach Gun itself isn't known for this problem, though I know it has occurred with the double trigger Uplander SXS series. My BIGGEST suggestion would be to call the company, and ask. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Most of the online advice recommended using a Dremel tool for cutting the spring, but I couldnt find mine due to a recent move (its since been located). The combination of the ported barrels, which reduces muzzle climb, and those green fiber-optic sights, which enable easy target acquisition in all light conditions, make this is one hell of a tactical shotgun. In Forrest's first major cavalry victory, he divided his men into three groups. Would like a refund. Stoeger sends a prepaid shipping label for warranty returns. $779.00 $699.99. . It's wood isn't as pretty or fitted as good as the Stoeger but it has been very reliable. 4. It is hell-for-stout, and still tight, after several thousand rounds, including 3" 000Buck and 600-grain Brenneke slugs.. Its easy to maneuver through the house, and 12-gauge is absolutely devastating at across-the-living-room distances, even with birdshot. ALSO, on many shotguns, s/s, o/u and some others the safety is RIGHT WHERE IT BELONGS under the thumb. On paper, the Stoeger M3000 seems like the perfect affordable semi-auto duck hunting shotgun. But since the powerful shotguns dont have any rubber buttpads, I went with the easier to use single-triggered 20 gauge Coach. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The handsome and affordable single- and double-trigger scatterguns pack a potent punch. (posted on the 5th of Feb) THE YOUTUBE LINK As a result of its renowned reputation and ever-growing popularity, Stoeger wanted to create a redesigned Coach for the modern tactical home-defense shooter. Contact them either via email or private message. Powered by Invision Community. Will be sending back again. by Ji in Hawaii Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:49 pm, Post The action is stiffer than my Browning shotguns but not horribly stiff. Am I missing something, or is it just that last 5% like all real craftsmanship? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. For only $50 more, the Supremes are equipped with better grip checkering, higher grade walnut stocks, and thicker rubber recoil pads sounds like a great deal to me! Cowboy Action Shooting. Polecat Polecat in a Poke Joined Apr 8, 2013 Messages 2,761 Likes by Griff Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:02 am, Post After the match, I picked the brains of a few cowboys and got a lot of good advice. It was stiff, but loosened up the more it was shot. I have an older Nickel Stoeger in 12. "-Thomas Jefferson. My buddy shot it once and said thats it. His technique was awful and the recoil knocked him backwards since he absolutely refuses to lean into any gun shotgun, rifle or hand gun. Plus, keep in mind that the safety is automatically engaged upon opening the Coachs action. I had to stone the water-table, to smooth off burrs from number stamping.. If youre looking for a more simple and straightforward light attachment, their 69260 TLR-1 HL is a fantastic choice. by Nate Kiowa Jones Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:43 pm, Post I started by polishing with fine grit wet/dry sandpaper to get the finish off of the parts. Killed two at 40 yards and they never moved out of their tracks. 03708431400. My longtime friend still has one. Fit and finish are nice and consistent with, or a little better than, what I expected for the price point. But, as I was soon to discover, the Silverado was no lightweight. I sent it off to Kiowa Nate Jones and got his action job, and it is a very sweet gun. I dont want it. All you have to do it tighten those screws up and youre back to business. In terms of their overall build, these Coach-variants are nearly identical, but slightly lighter than their field equivalents. Fully functional rabbit ear hammers & double triggers. Trap, on the other hand, seems to work out well for the Fox. The current trailing twelve months (ttm) P/E ratio is 17.753 and the forward P/E ratio is 13.79. About us; Sell Your Gun parts; Buy Gift Cards; Order Status; Cart; Account; . by Bill in Oregon Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:34 am, Post . Last summer, I got involved in cowboy action shooting and started out using my grandfathers Winchester Model 1897as one of my competition guns. If you shoot buckshot loads labeled Express Magnum out of a 12 gauge shotgun that weighs slightly more than a bag of sugar (6.5 pounds), you can expect a significant ballistic noogie. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Starting with the most famous and expensive, Id like to give my readers four great options to choose from. 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